The flying meatball god

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by andythegill

Well im strongly against religion in the fact that its a little far fetched to me and evolution has been basically proven.

the belief in a higher power and acceptance of evolution do not have to be mutually exclusive concepts, you know...

[Angel]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

the belief in a higher power and acceptance of evolution do not have to be mutually exclusive concepts, you know...

This is very true. In fact, the early church couldn't stand the fact that there were Christians around who were also scientists and were flyng in the face of some of their misconceptions about the earth's shape and creation. Many Christians who are scientists today have no problem with marrying evolution with God's creation - to their mind, if He can make a world, surely it's up to Him how He does it? If it was a huge bang, then so be it. If it was evolution, fair enough. If He had a huge factory full of people moulds then why the hell not?

Science and religion need not be poles apart - they complement each other in many ways and one can give reasons why when the other tells you how. Darwin gave the world a whole new concept and for that he is rightly hailed as one of the scientific elite.

The only irritation I have ever had with any one theory about the beginning of the world is when schools declare only one school of thought as definitive fact when actually there are several ideas and not one has been proven irrevocably true, religious or scientific. All options should be presented to people along with all information available about that specific theory and then people can make up their own minds.

I can't prove God made the world any more than someone can prove "it just happened" - we are all basing our opinions on what we have learnt about various theories and belief systems and if one wants to think the world just happened or that there is a higher power (not necessarily God) who carefully planned each detail and created the world over millions of years or whatever then so be it. There's no point in claiming one theory as true over another because none of them can be proven beyond all doubt. Similarly, belittling one system over another is pointless because again, theories are just that - theories. As far as I know there are no absolutes in science, after all - rather continued exploration.

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by Angel

The only irritation I have ever had with any one theory about the beginning of the world is when schools declare only one school of thought as definitive fact when actually there are several ideas and not one has been proven irrevocably true, religious or scientific. All options should be presented to people along with all information available about that specific theory and then people can make up their own minds.

I am not sure you are referring to Creationism or Intelligent Design or not, but if you are I disagree with you - it is not science, it doesn't have the proof that Darwin's "survival of the fittest" and various other theories have.

The main argument for those theories is: "It's in the Bible", whilst Darwins ideas can be observed in practice by everyone.

If one individual choose to believe in those theories I have no problem with it. But it shouldn't be tought in school. At least not in the same scientific manner.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

I am not sure you are referring to Creationism or Intelligent Design or not, but if you are I disagree with you - it is not science, it doesn't have the proof that Darwin's "survival of the fittest" and various other theories have.

The main argument for those theories is: "It's in the Bible", whilst Darwins ideas can be observed in practice by everyone.

If one individual choose to believe in those theories I have no problem with it. But it shouldn't be tought in school. At least not in the same scientific manner.

I agree... here in North America there are a number of schools attempting to teach Creationism in Science classes as a scientific theory...
that is pretty disturbing for a lot of reasons...
for one thing North America is very multicultural and to put forth one religious idea and not another is just arbitrary and discriminatory...
Religion is also not science... it can be spoken about in Religion classes, but science has to pass certain tests such as being objective, containing empirical evidence, being made up of tests that can be repeated over and over with the same result... Religion can be many things to many people but it does not contain these elements and is not Science...
Creationism is also not a theory... many people seem to think that a theory is merely and idea which has been cooked up by somebody and any idea had by anyone can be a theory... this is not the case...
a theory is based on existing hypothesis... it has been tested and retested at great length in countless ways in an attempt to disprove it and when it has withstood this analysis it can be declared a theory but should it ever be disproven it will be disregarded... Every theory, in order to be a theory must contain the ability to construct an experiment or analysis to prove it is not true... so if my theory is storks brought us, one could do a test to prove their are not nearly enough storks , if the theory is Darwinian evolution one could perform a test to prove Evolution must be done differently or that traits dont change the way Darwin thought they did... this cannot be done with God... there is no test to definitively prove a God did not make the world...
so for all these reasons I cringe when I hear of it being taught in a Science class...
just as the social factors leading to mental illness have a place in Sociology but not Biology class, and the chemical imbalances have a place in Biology but not Sociology, Scientific accounts of the world belong in Science whereas Religious accounts belong in Religion...

[Devalion]

The function of a human being is to control everything inside itself, and everything outside itself. I could expound for a long time about this theory that I think is correct ( and I would love people to prove me wrong ) but I have to sleep =x

[Angel]

I didn't say religion was a science. I was saying that in school, as far as I was concerned, we were only ever taught the idea of evolution - not big bang or any other theory that came along.

I don't need educating on what science is - I am well aware. Neither do I need educating on what religion is.

But hey - read what you want.

[Albion Knight]

Creationalism is based of Faith not Science, All forms of belief spawn from some sort of assumptions. Science is mostly based on trusting in our five senses. Creationalism is based on trusting Religious doctrine. Some people don't believe in religion but an even smaller group don't believe in science. Both have been proven wrong on occasion but science adapts to those times and grows from it as I see it.

Edit I posted this before reading the last two posts. I have been sitting on this page for a while.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Angel

I didn't say religion was a science. I was saying that in school, as far as I was concerned, we were only ever taught the idea of evolution - not big bang or any other theory that came along.

I don't need educating on what science is - I am well aware. Neither do I need educating on what religion is.

But hey - read what you want.

I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not but if it was, my post was not directed at you... it was directed at North American schools teaching Religion in Science class...

[Darg]

Look, arguments put aside, science is a man-made concept, coming from nowhere else than us as humans, and who the hell are we to decide half of what's right and what's wrong. The purpose of the whole point of this thread, the pastafarians, is not motivated towards a religion in the sense of actual worship and it is not based on any historical events, ideas or event written accounts. How people can call it a "religion" is beyond me. For that matter, psycopathic morons may as well be considered their own religion and we as forum-goers too. When I look at the world today, I wonder what the hell's gone wrong with it all.

[Albion Knight]

MMM Flying meatball god fills your soul and your stomach.
I hope those are Vegi meatballs. I feel a schism coming

[Darg]

Originally Posted by Albion Knight

MMM Flying meatball god fills your soul and your stomach.
I hope those are Vegi meatballs. I feel a schism coming

Seriously, though- as I'm typing this, there's a pastafarian to my left and someone who doesn't give a crap to my right. The world today is just so screwed up that no one can believe in a higher power, something that actually made it all, but no- people after all this time believe in a giant mythical entree that made the world out of a hill, a tree and a midget! I kid you not people, this is what our world is coming to! One of these days, I hope that people will finally find out the truth, and perhaps by that time they won't be so stupid and blind to not see it.

[Tsuyu]

I... I don't know why you people keep arguing like this. There is no way to disprove that the FSM created the world as we know it, thus it must be true! There is even a book written by someone saying so.

[Angel]

It's all lies. I made the world out of an empty washing up liquid bottle, some sticky back plastic and two cardboard circles. Had a special on Blue Peter and the World was born

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by Angel

It's all lies. I made the world out of an empty washing up liquid bottle, some sticky back plastic and two cardboard circles. Had a special on Blue Peter and the World was born

But...I...uh...no. I can't debunk that. Nuh-uh. It... all...makes sense! This day and onward, I am no longer Tsuyu, but Algernon Afodonius Cerelon of the Sharonian Church and will devote my life to spread the true word!

Now all I have to do is go around the forums, gathering enough of The Holy One's wisdom into a sacred volume....

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Angel

It's all lies. I made the world out of an empty washing up liquid bottle, some sticky back plastic and two cardboard circles. Had a special on Blue Peter and the World was born

Hope you got a badge for that...

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

But...I...uh...no. I can't debunk that. Nuh-uh. It... all...makes sense! This day and onward, I am no longer Tsuyu, but Algernon Afodonius Cerelon of the Sharonian Church and will devote my life to spread the true word!

Now all I have to do is go around the forums, gathering enough of The Holy One's wisdom into a sacred volume....

that made me laugh.