[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Arseface

The funny thing is, that in Australia, we see it as unaustrailan to be patriotic enough to care when someone burns the flag... I mean, we're proud of our country and that... But its just a flag

Just a flag yes, but its a symbol of their hatred for your country if they burn your flag. Therefore a hatred for people in that country and things your country stands for. What would they burn next to get the point across?

[Arseface]

If they don't like the country why don't they just leave?

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Arseface

If they don't like the country why don't they just leave?

Precisely my point, anyone who hates a country they are in so much should get out and stop preaching hate.

[Albion Knight]

Usually if it's a citizen of the country, they're protesting some part of the country's policy that they want changed. The message gets lost and it just comes across as hatred of the country instead of the policy(ies). The difference between expression and communication is whether or not the message is effectively delivered.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Albion Knight

Usually if it's a citizen of the country, they're protesting some part of the country's policy that they want changed. The message gets lost and it just comes across as hatred of the country instead of the policy(ies). The difference between expression and communication is whether or not the message is effectively delivered.

Better ways to do it than preaching hate and burning flags.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Dark Drakan

Better ways to do it than preaching hate and burning flags.

burning flags isn't always about "preaching hate" though... as Todd said, sometimes it is meant as a form of protest...
people do have freedom of expression

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

burning flags isn't always about "preaching hate" though... as Todd said, sometimes it is meant as a form of protest...
people do have freedom of expression

Maybe so but here in UK we are full of Muslim fanatics who preach hate in our streets and death to all non-muslims but have to let it slide otherwise its seen as not giving them freedom of speech. We are too tolerant of it and should ship them back soon as they start it in our streets. If they hate it here so much they can stop claiming all our benefits and taking our houses the government gives them and go back.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Dark Drakan

Maybe so but here in UK we are full of Muslim fanatics who preach hate in our streets and death to all non-muslims but have to let it slide otherwise its seen as not giving them freedom of speech. We are too tolerant of it and should ship them back soon as they start it in our streets. If they hate it here so much they can stop claiming all our benefits and taking our houses the government gives them and go back.

perhaps the better way of dealing with the situation, rather than some racist rhetoric about "shipping them all back" would be to open a dialogue with them to ascertain the nature of their apparent discontent... you know, find out exactly what they're protesting...
people in America burn the American flag often enough to protest the war and such... and like it or not, doesn't mean they are "preaching hate"...
perhaps these Muslims are doing something similar...
and there is also a difference between expressing hate and preaching hate
part of freedom of expression is being allowed to hate anything you want and tell anyone who will listen
I hate plenty of things, and if every time I hated something they threw me out the country, I'd have nowhere to go by now
and telling people that if they don't like it they can leave kind of ignores the problem...
first of all, it ignores the fact that there is obvious racial tensions there, which could be part of their feelings of unrest...
second, there are often good reason why people leave their homes to come to another nation...
some of them may be refugees from the war... where are they meant to go, exactly? they have nowhere...

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

perhaps the better way of dealing with the situation, rather than some racist rhetoric about "shipping them all back" would be to open a dialogue with them to ascertain the nature of their apparent discontent... you know, find out exactly what they're protesting...
people in America burn the American flag often enough to protest the war and such... and like it or not, doesn't mean they are "preaching hate"...
perhaps these Muslims are doing something similar...
and there is also a difference between expressing hate and preaching hate
part of freedom of expression is being allowed to hate anything you want and tell anyone who will listen
I hate plenty of things, and if every time I hated something they threw me out the country, I'd have nowhere to go by now
and telling people that if they don't like it they can leave kind of ignores the problem...
first of all, it ignores the fact that there is obvious racial tensions there, which could be part of their feelings of unrest...
second, there are often good reason why people leave their homes to come to another nation...
some of them may be refugees from the war... where are they meant to go, exactly? they have nowhere...

These preach hate because of their hatred for non-muslims and calling us the 'Unclean' real fanatic jobs who try and convert people to join terrorist camps. Im no racist but i think theres no place for people like that in this country, anyone who wishes harm on most people there doesnt belong there. I dont like being wished dead.

There is no remedy to the problem with these people but to 'Surrender' and join their cause. They only came here in first place to recruit more people and to set up camps here where they could cause most devastation. I understand that not all people who burn flags and preach do it for this reason but these are the ones im referring to.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Dark Drakan

These preach hate because of their hatred for non-muslims and calling us the 'Unclean' real fanatic jobs who try and convert people to join terrorist camps. Im no racist but i think theres no place for people like that in this country, anyone who wishes harm on most people there doesnt belong there. I dont like being wished dead.

There is no remedy to the problem with these people but to 'Surrender' and join their cause. They only came here in first place to recruit more people and to set up camps here where they could cause most devastation. I understand that not all people who burn flags and preach do it for this reason but these are the ones im referring to.

well you may be meaning it only for those people, but the way you are speaking makes it sound like you are referring to all Muslims who burn flags and assuming that they are all a bunch of fanatical terrorists
how exactly do you determine who is the fanatic and who is the protester, just by seeing an image of them holding a burning flag?
it makes it sound like you think other people can burn flags, but not Muslims, and Muslims who do should be "shipped back"...
what about those Muslims who were born in the U.K., and are citizens? is there a difference for them? do they still need to be "shipped back"?
assuming that Muslims all come to your country to enlist terrorists and "set up camps" is just more racist rhetoric and likely a big reason why some of them don't like it there and would wish to protest...

again, you may not be meaning it to come across that way, but when people begin to lump an entire group of people together and spout rather negative views of all of them like they were all the same, it comes across that way...
and when they add a last minute addendum that they only mean the bad ones, they sound like they're just trying to be last minute P.C.

if your real problem is with people who "preach hate" for people in your country or who wish to engage in terrorist activities, there should be no need to mention whether they are Muslim, as surely a terrorist of any race, creed or faith is equally undesirable?
equating Muslim with fanatic and fanatic with terrorist does nothing to aid the situation and only leads to confusion and racial tensions

[Gikoku Harakami]

You can burn my flag, but you can't burn my pride on the inside..

It's just cotton fabric, and there's plenty more where it came from.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

if your real problem is with people who "preach hate" for people in your country or who wish to engage in terrorist activities, there should be no need to mention whether they are Muslim, as surely a terrorist of any race, creed or faith is equally undesirable?
equating Muslim with fanatic and fanatic with terrorist does nothing to aid the situation and only leads to confusion and racial tensions

Thats how i meant it, i didnt mean only Muslims in particular. I have muslim friends afterall and know 99% of them do not preach hate and these who do arent real muslims. Just fanatics that have twisted the ways of the religion as an excuse and believe it is right. If they are born in the UK and preach hate they should be jailed as they are inciting killing and terrorist acts. However i dont think citizens here should have to pay their taxes to keep people who arent from here behind bars. They should be sent home and put in prison there if their preaching deserves it. Ive by no means got anything against Muslims at all.

People from any religion preaching death or hatred of this manner should be jailed as its not part of religion its terrorism.

[Albion Knight]

Chances are that anyone convicted of engaging in or promoting terrorist acts would not be exported but detained and interrogated to the fullest extent.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Albion Knight

Chances are that anyone convicted of engaging in or promoting terrorist acts would not be exported but detained and interrogated to the fullest extent.

They used to be allowed to preach hate in the streets though (all religions and beliefs), until certain people put words into actions and bombed places and planted poison on car door handles etc and killed people. Wasnt until then people began to realise that they werent going to stop at just words and preaching.

[Darg]

Man, I can't believe this. It makes me wonder, thinking that somewhere out there, someone's going to kill someone over a stuffed teddy bear. Sure, it might have been a bit disrespectful towards their beliefs, but the way in which they react is ridiculous! It's good to stand up for your beliefs but when it involves wishing death on non-believers and reacting in such a violent outward way, it defeats the purpose of you standing up for something and makes it become more like tearing something down.