View on Rascism

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by Walker

God's an asshole, trust me, he has room to **** everyone over, deserving and undeserving alike.

But you may possibly have a point. I still despise the assorted white supremacists and ****. ~Though, actually, I don't like black supremacists much, either. Or asian supremacists. Or... are there any others? Native American supremacists?

~EDIT: Yes, I know I was replying to your reply to someone else's screaming rant. Sorry.

The right-wing extremists of the Eskimo Supremacy Front are pretty hardcore, as far as I can understand.

Heh, my point was that you shouldn't be hating the hater, 'cause it makes you a hypocrite.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

The right-wing extremists of the Eskimo Supremacy Front are pretty hardcore, as far as I can understand.

Heh, my point was that you shouldn't be hating the hater, 'cause it makes you a hypocrite.

Inuit. Not Eskimo. [glares, politically correctly, ends up snickering]

No? I'm fine with hating people who are worthy of hate. Maybe you can say that racists are not worthy of hate, their ideas are... but I think that people should be responsible for their beliefs.

[moonfever]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

Racism is in our blood. If it wasn't, ideologies such as the one in WW II Germany would never have taken root. As the song says, we're all a bit racist. That's because we have the biological urge to take care of those who are like us. Our "tribe", if you will, and the distrust of other "tribes" than our own.

Personally I don't care about the colour of one's skin. There are tons of chavs and other scum from "fine white families" who couldn't even hold a candle to the amazing achievements of a poor farmer in Africa who has fought all his life for what he has got, and that man has all my respect for that.

It's not in my blood. My family were unique in the way I was raised. I was taught all people are the same and children of God. I never felt anyone was better than the other, except through actions, and the way people behave. I guess I am very lucky, to not be programed that way.
Gotta respect my mom and dad.

[TRA Rotid]

I do racist jokes. Did one (or two/three) today to be honest. But am I really a racist? Don`t think so. The reason I`m two-faced - there aren`t (m)any black [or any color] people in Estonia so I don`t personally know not even one. It`s just that the jokes are funny.
If I ever met a black person, I`m pretty sure it`d be an interesting and good experience.

From my last sentence, it seems I`d find meeting a black person as interesting as seeing, for example, a wild animal in real life!...? Go figure

[moonfever]

Originally Posted by TRA Rotid

I do racist jokes. Did one (or two/three) today to be honest. But am I really a racist? Don`t think so. The reason I`m two-faced - there aren`t (m)any black [or any color] people in Estonia so I don`t personally know not even one. It`s just that the jokes are funny.
If I ever met a black person, I`m pretty sure it`d be an interesting and good experience.

From my last sentence, it seems I`d find meeting a black person as interesting as seeing, for example, a wild animal in real life!...? Go figure

They aren't any different from you or me. We all want the same things. There are good and evil in every color. The trick is finding the good.

[TRA Rotid]

Originally Posted by moonfever

They aren't any different from you or me. We all want the same things. There are good and evil in every color. The trick is finding the good.

It`s not about good and evil, but the way I see them different from myself. Myself as a human-being not an individual.
Still, I don`t think they are apes or something I just can`t put them in the same category with white people. It`s hard to explain really... and I`m not that good in explaining.

[Amanda]

I don't believe in race.

Sociologists say that there is only the human race and I believe that makes the most sense. People look different from each other but we are all human.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by TRA Rotid

It`s not about good and evil, but the way I see them different from myself. Myself as a human-being not an individual.
Still, I don`t think they are apes or something I just can`t put them in the same category with white people. It`s hard to explain really... and I`m not that good in explaining.

Blargh... that quote sounds wildly offensive. Wildly.

What do you mean, "can't put them in the same category with white people?"

[danisalento]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

You don't think your god would pass judgement to you for also hating your fellow man?

Since when were racists considered men?
Just as some animals lack compassion and remorse so do racists.

I realise I shouldn't of brought God into this as now people will start shedding their views on him.

God is great. He made man, man made fable 2. Can't argue with that really.

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by moonfever

It's not in my blood. My family were unique in the way I was raised. I was taught all people are the same and children of God. I never felt anyone was better than the other, except through actions, and the way people behave. I guess I am very lucky, to not be programed that way.
Gotta respect my mom and dad.

It's down to a genetic level. You've got it, I've got it - everyone does. I'm not saying that we're walking engines of hate, but at a subconscious level it is there.

Originally Posted by Walker

Inuit. Not Eskimo. [glares, politically correctly, ends up snickering]

Pfft. But "Those who eat raw meat" sounds so much awesome-r than "Inuit".

[Walker]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

It's down to a genetic level. You've got it, I've got it - everyone does. I'm not saying that we're walking engines of hate, but at a subconscious level it is there.



Pfft. But "Those who eat raw meat" sounds so much awesome-r than "Inuit".

I doubt that very much, Tsuyu. Do you think that we have deep, subconscious issues because somebody's hair is a different color? To brunette white people have deep unresolved issues with blond-haired white people? Again, I doubt it. Racism is simply a cultural remnant. It'll probably dissappear everywhere eventually.

Possibly yes, you may be right.

[TRA Rotid]

Originally Posted by Walker

Blargh... that quote sounds wildly offensive. Wildly.

What do you mean, "can't put them in the same category with white people?"

See, that`s exactly what I mean. It IS offensive and sadly I can`t do much about it, it`s just how I feel.
"can't put them in the same category with white people?" - they seem strangers, something I`m not familiar with. That`s because I`ve never met a black person in my life. Well, "same category" is too rough ...

Oh, I just remembered something, I have met black people and they were nice so... I`m a racist, but I don`t believe in it, so... if I ever met a black person, I doubt there is going to be any trouble. It all goes down to prejudice, which is wrong.

Edit: Ah, I think I know see what you meant, Walker. From my post, it seems I said that white people are human-beings and black people are not and thus, I can`t put them in the same catefory. That`s not what I wanted to say.

Edit2: Then again, why should black people be strangers to me, they are human-beings, the only thing different is their skin color. This may be caused by stereotypcal gangsta niggaz and this is more of a culture thing than racial.

Edit3: in the end, I don`t believe I`m a racist, I just blurted out some stupid things that I thought I felt, or have felt at some point. I can`t talk about something I don`t know about. Racism? blah....

[moonfever]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

It's down to a genetic level. You've got it, I've got it - everyone does. I'm not saying that we're walking engines of hate, but at a subconscious level it is there.



Pfft. But "Those who eat raw meat" sounds so much awesome-r than "Inuit".

No, it's not. I never really felt it, unless someone is discussing it, in a negative way, I merely don't listen, or just walk away. There's really no justifying a bad behavior. I'm very stubborn, so......

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by Walker

I doubt that very much, Tsuyu. Do you think that we have deep, subconscious issues because somebody's hair is a different color? To brunette white people have deep unresolved issues with blond-haired white people? Again, I doubt it. Racism is simply a cultural remnant. It'll probably dissappear everywhere eventually.

Possibly yes, you may be right.

Doubt it if you will, but I am correct. It is not racism as in World War II Germany we're talking about here, we're not all carrying round a little Hitler JR on our shoulder.

But the distrust/dislike of those who aren't "our tribe" is there, as is the favourism of those who are. It doesn't mean you're automatically gonna dislike everyone because they are black, but you will on a subconscious level be more quicker to grow a liking to someone by just looking at them if you are from the "same tribe".

It doesn't always effect those of another skin colour, but it could be just about anything - political memberships and all that. It's why we're so war-like in nature. The urge to benefit our tribe and caring less for those who are not part of it.

[Walker]

Originally Posted by TRA Rotid

See, that`s exactly what I mean. It IS offensive and sadly I can`t do much about it, it`s just how I feel.
"can't put them in the same category with white people?" - they seem strangers, something I`m not familiar with. That`s because I`ve never met a black person in my life. Well, "same category" is too rough ...

Oh, I just remembered something, I have met black people and they were nice so... I`m a racist, but I don`t believe in it, so... if I ever met a black person, I doubt there is going to be any trouble. It all goes down to prejudice, which is wrong.

Edit: Ah, I think I know see what you meant, Walker. From my post, it seems I said that white people are human-beings and black people are not and thus, I can`t put them in the same catefory. That`s not what I wanted to say.

Edit2: Then again, why should black people be strangers to me, they are human-beings, the only thing different is their skin color. This may be caused by stereotypcal gangsta niggaz and this is more of a culture thing than racial.

Edit3: in the end, I don`t believe I`m a racist, I just blurted out some stupid things that I thought I felt, or have felt at some point. I can`t talk about something I don`t know about. Racism? blah....

Erm... okay.

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

Doubt it if you will, but I am correct. It is not racism as in World War II Germany we're talking about here, we're not all carrying round a little Hitler JR on our shoulder.

But the distrust/dislike of those who aren't "our tribe" is there, as is the favourism of those who are. It doesn't mean you're automatically gonna dislike everyone because they are black, but you will on a subconscious level be more quicker to grow a liking to someone by just looking at them if you are from the "same tribe".

It doesn't always effect those of another skin colour, but it could be just about anything - political memberships and all that. It's why we're so war-like in nature. The urge to benefit our tribe and caring less for those who are not part of it.

Okay, the second part of that I can agree with, but the first part I don't.

Yes, people will always adapt quicker to those they perceive as similar to themselves, but I don't think that skin and hair and eyes are something that will always be percieved as "different." That's kinda what I was saying. Even though I and someone else might look different, I don't neccesarily... feel any difference. My cousin's kids are just the same as my other little cousins, though their skin is a darker; and my brother's fiance (who's from Ghana and about dark-skinned as you can get) is basically on the level of "sibling" by now.

And all the roughly fifty billion different ethnicities and skin tones and hair types and eye colors that populate this wunnerful college I'm sitting in right now... give it enough time and they just all run together. Eventually I'm convinced "race" will dissappear, but even before that, racism will fade from all but the most isolated places.


EDIT:

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

But the distrust/dislike of those who aren't "our tribe" is there, as is the favourism of those who are. It doesn't mean you're automatically gonna dislike everyone because they are black, but you will on a subconscious level be more quicker to grow a liking to someone by just looking at them if you are from the "same tribe".

And that is demonstrably false, at least in my case. I went to a middle school (2 years, 7th-8th grade) in PG county with people I mostly didn't know, who were mostly black. I went to high school in a neighboring county (4 years, 9th-12th grade), with people who I didn't know and were mostly white. I make friends slow. But in middle school I had a couple by halfway through 8th grade; high school it took me more like three or four, and the first person I actually counted as a friend was Chinese, which is about as foreign as it gets-- I had known white people before, my family and a couple classmates and neighbors-- but I only remember maybe three asian classmates in 9 years of PGCPS.

Of course, that's just saying that you're wrong about race, and only in my one case, but not in general.