Why hate the USA?

[TRA Rotid]

But, why not hate USA. Some people have to hate something and since USA is the main target these days, it`s the easiest choice. Some people probably don`t give a crap of what the US is doing, but it`s important to show themselves as "educated" or "good at politics" in front of friends.
Don`t know, it just came into my mind, might be false though.

[Angel]

It's something of a pack mentality sometimes - there's some truth in it, some politics but most of it is prejudice born of ignorance and sparked by similar notions coming from those living in country in question.

If your mates are slagging off the Americans, you'd better join in, fit in or get out. Seems to be how it works with many these days. Challenge them on the finer points of their politics and they don't really know what to say other than belabour the point of Iraq or whatever George Bush said/did last week...then eventually all you get is the stubborn reply of "I hate America" with no real substance to that claim.

[Johnnycky94]

I love america

[moonfever]

Originally Posted by Johnnycky94

I love america

As do I, and that's why this all hurts.

[Johnnycky94]

Yea it does.....

[droded]

No offense to anyone here, or America but some people feel that the general American attitude ("Greatest Country in the world, why shouldn't they like us?") is quite arrogant.

I personally think that attitude is hilarious.

[moonfever]

Originally Posted by droded

No offense to anyone here, or America but some people feel that the general American attitude ("Greatest Country in the world, why shouldn't they like us?") is quite arrogant.

I personally think that attitude is hilarious.

That's really mean. I think it's more that, we are expected to like everyone else, and to care, and we expect that others feel the same. It's a little confusing when that doesn't happen. I've lived in Germany, and in Africa, and found them both beautiful in their own ways, even though I felt lost. But I certainly don't sit around and think I'm any better than anyone else. It just doesn't occur to me. Most of the people I know are the same way. I guess you must talk to the wrong people, to get that impression.

[TJ Griffin]

well, im an american, and i dont hate america, but im not too fond of it either. this contry is only 200 years old and for some reason we feel that our contry has to baby sit all the rest of the world. well i got news for ya, other contrys can take care of themselves without us forcing out ways down their throuts. there are also some other reasons that i dont really aprove of what we are doing, like this "war on terror" ****. apperently we are at war, but here at home life goes on as usual. and we claim to be helping out the people in iraq and those other places, but the people there dont even want us there. they do not want our help. and their society is very different from ours and is strongly based on their religious beliefs, and the majority of them do not want democracy. and besides, they are on the other side of the world in a whole separat conty form ours, so **** em. just leave them the **** alone. if this is a war on the terrorists, lets just go over there, track em down, and kill them. and leave their government alone. we fought and gained our freedom, we are perfectly capable of running our contry, and so are they. just because they are foren, that does not make them less inteligent. america needs to stop playing baby sitter for the rest of the world. and stop reffering to it as the best contry in the world, that is an opion, not a fact. i dont think its really possible to name any one contry as "the best". basicly, america just needs to leave everyone else alone and take care of ourselfs, and everyone else can take care of themself aswell. also, look at all the damage that we have done to this once beautiful land that we inherited, well actually we stole it from the mexicans and the natives, but hey, it was nice when we stole it.

Originally Posted by droded

No offense to anyone here, or America but some people feel that the general American attitude ("Greatest Country in the world, why shouldn't they like us?") is quite arrogant.

I personally think that attitude is hilarious.

i totally agree with that. we are mostly hated because we are so arrogant. and nobody likes an arrogant person. we are not special, we are just another country, and we need to tone it down a lot and leave everyone else alone. countrys can take care of themselfs.

[Johnnycky94]

Originally Posted by TJ Griffin

i totally agree with that. we are mostly hated because we are so arrogant. and nobody likes an arrogant person. we are not special, we are just another country, and we need to tone it down a lot and leave everyone else alone. countrys can take care of themselfs.

Yea your actually right buddy we do, Im sorry, but you ahve to realize we "Were" the greatest country who everyone looked up to. But our government is currupt, worst then anyother country that is democratic. Its sad whe are more communism then anything. The people dont own this country, Corporate businesses do. Its sad it is like the book1984, they should le the public know what they are up to and what happens, it should be our right to know what our govenment does.

The people shouldnt fear their govenment, the govenment should fear the people- V for Vendetta

Greatest quote, we are being pushed around, do you really think they cant stop the drug use??? They can, but they dont want to bc it keeps our minds off of what is really happening. I love this country but we need the people to run it, the heart and soul of amaerica, not some corporate business that only in it for the money and what they want, not WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

I love this country , we need a shange not from a politician! but from the people.

[SilentFilmStar]

I personally think this country is going to crap.
We are in the middle of a recession right now AND "helping" Iraq. I think we should stop focusing on other countries and focus on fixing ours. I mean hell America has a debt of $53 trillion, America has been in nation debt since the 50's. Bush says we are in Iraq to help and "stop terr" but he is really just finishing what his dad started. He is only after the oil.

Its hard for Americans to not look stupid with a leader such as Bush. I would personally like to live in England more then America. I can't stand our "government". Today, it seems, that everyone is living just to be in debt. Student loan annual interests are so high it takes 15 years just to pay off your loans. Want to get married and buy a house? You just paid off your student loans and feeling good, now you have to get a loan to buy a house... Most people don't pay off their houses these days. It's mostly getting a loan, buying a house and making payments, then you move and sell your house, put a down payment on a house, pay off some more of your loan and then buy your new house. Its an ongoing process, unless you want a small house that you can pay off in about... 5 years.

This country is all about credit, if your credit is bad you're screwed for life.

[TJ Griffin]

took the words right out of my mouth. people tell me that if i dont like this country i should leave, and believe me, i will as soon as i get the money. also, your post reminded me of what we americans love to do, spend money we dont have on things we dont need. so we can max out our credit cards, get fatter than holy hell, and spend the rest of our lives paying off intrest on somthing that cost 12.50. and we didnt like it when we got it home anyway. thats another George Carlin quote. i love that man. shame hes dead.

and like it was said before, the people dont run this country, the big buisnesses do. we dont have a free country anymore, we have owners. they own us. and our education system is going to hell too, cuz the buisness people only want money, they do not want inteligent free thinking citizens capable of creating their own opinions. they want obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to oporate the machines, but just dumb enough to passivly ignor now badly they are being ****ed by the upper 1%. thats mor George Carlin stuff by the way. i think way too highly of George Carlin to claim any of his stuff as my own, or to even type his name in lower case. he is my idol. a comedian yes, but such a clever man. and what he says he says to be funny, but there is so much truth to what he says (although he is a bit overly vulgar with his language, but i feel the same way he does about swearing, in that words can not be good or bad. just words.).

[SilentFilmStar]

Originally Posted by TJ Griffin

took the words right out of my mouth. people tell me that if i dont like this country i should leave, and believe me, i will as soon as i get the money. also, your post reminded me of what we americans love to do, spend money we dont have on things we dont need. so we can max out our credit cards, get fatter than holy hell, and spend the rest of our lives paying off intrest on somthing that cost 12.50. and we didnt like it when we got it home anyway. thats another George Carlin quote. i love that man. shame hes dead.

and like it was said before, the people dont run this country, the big buisnesses do. we dont have a free country anymore, we have owners. they own us. and our education system is going to hell too, cuz the buisness people only want money, they do not want inteligent free thinking citizens capable of creating their own opinions. they want obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to oporate the machines, but just dumb enough to passivly ignor now badly they are being ****ed by the upper 1%. thats mor George Carlin stuff by the way. i think way too highly of George Carlin to claim any of his stuff as my own, or to even type his name in lower case. he is my idol. a comedian yes, but such a clever man. and what he says he says to be funny, but there is so much truth to what he says (although he is a bit overly vulgar with his language, but i feel the same way he does about swearing, in that words can not be good or bad. just words.).

You are an okay guy, I like you.

Have you seen Wall-e? All the people on that space station is about 300 pounds or more. They are saying that it may not be that far from the truth, that by 2030 thats how most Americans will look.

And yes George Carlin was (and still is) amazing. He said what he thought and he told the truth a lot of the time. Its cool how funny the truth can be. I was shocked when he died, I thought he was going to live forever. He was on the Chris Rock show last night on HBO talking about how he is still alive and everything (it was from 1997 I think) and it made me sad.

[TJ Griffin]

ya. i only recently discovered him, and he died soon after. and it made me sad. i really wish i could have met him. and now im gradgualy buying just about all of his shows on cd and/or dvd.

here is a clasic of his from the cd "class clown". he actually sung it, and quite well.

oh beautiful for smoggy skies, insectisided grain.
for strip-mined mountains majesty, above the asphalt plane.
america, america. man sheds his waste on thee.
and hides the pines with billboard signs, from sea to oily sea.

and thanks, i think your an okay guy too. nice to see another free thinking individual.

[Skorm's Boss]

Originally Posted by Angel

Perhaps because I have little pride in my own country I fail to fully get the whole allegiance to the flag type stuff...

Hell, over here if someone started pledging anything to the St George Cross they'd probably be done for citing racial hatred or some other retarded charge

agreed! I work for a council in the U.K and we we're not allowed to celebrate St George's day, try telling an American that they can not celebrate president's day!

[Angel]

Originally Posted by SilentFilmStar

I personally think this country is going to crap.
We are in the middle of a recession right now AND "helping" Iraq. I think we should stop focusing on other countries and focus on fixing ours. I mean hell America has a debt of $53 trillion, America has been in nation debt since the 50's. Bush says we are in Iraq to help and "stop terr" but he is really just finishing what his dad started. He is only after the oil.

Its hard for Americans to not look stupid with a leader such as Bush. I would personally like to live in England more then America. I can't stand our "government". Today, it seems, that everyone is living just to be in debt. Student loan annual interests are so high it takes 15 years just to pay off your loans. Want to get married and buy a house? You just paid off your student loans and feeling good, now you have to get a loan to buy a house... Most people don't pay off their houses these days. It's mostly getting a loan, buying a house and making payments, then you move and sell your house, put a down payment on a house, pay off some more of your loan and then buy your new house. Its an ongoing process, unless you want a small house that you can pay off in about... 5 years.

This country is all about credit, if your credit is bad you're screwed for life.

England is much the same - no one can afford anything because nearly every person is in huge amounts of debt. Every TV ad break is peppered with loans, debt management services and insolvency opportunities. No one can afford to buy a house so everyone rents and ends up in the red. Uni is out of the question for many and jobs are thin on the ground with the influx of eastern europeans - which leads to racism and an increase in support for the neo-nazi group known as the British National Party.

Thing is, common sense is to fix your own country before trying to fix someone else's - if America or England went to counselling, the counsellor would first ask them to work on themselves before turning to outside issues and that's the best way to do things. But it's messed up - our country spends a lot of money on foreign nationals and ignores the British homeless. Healthcare, housing and food are available more to those who have just arrived rather than those who have paid taxes and been born here. So we end up with massive racial debates when it's not about race - it's about making sure the country is capable and healthy enough to cope with newcomers instead of it crippling our economy and making jobs more scarce than unicorns. It's not racism to want job and financial security in your own country. And I do not believe it is racism to petition the government to put a stopper on the tide of people coming into the nation until they have sorted its own nationals out first - it's common sense.

If we are so-called World Leaders, us and America, we should lead by example - fixing ourselves up so we are in the best position to help others IF THEY WANT IT. But instead we have a "do as I say not as I do" attitude...

Originally Posted by Skorm's Boss

agreed! I work for a council in the U.K and we we're not allowed to celebrate St George's day, try telling an American that they can not celebrate president's day!

Yeah...stupid thing is, it's white middle class people who make these insane rules - the Muslims, Sikhs, Eastern Europeans and everyone else in between don't give a crap if we have a flag outside or not - or if we celebrate a particular day. In an attempt to be "multi-cultural" and "multi-faith", we are in effect more segregated than before. Most Muslims here are at least second generation now and so they are as British as I am, but for some reason the idiots at the top feel the need to squash all Britishness for fear of alienating them...