Why Peter Molyneux Thinks Other RPG Games Are ****

[Tsuyu]

Nothing beats good old turn/round based DnD à la Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale.

[Zingo]

Originally Posted by Tsuyu

Nothing beats good old turn/round based DnD à la Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale.

Dont forget to meantion Nwn... thats a good game!

[Frostmourne]

Well, he's right. Oblivion's combat system was crap. You can say all you want about it, but it lacked a solid combat system.

Hate to break it to some of you, but I'm not the fan of turn-based. But that's just me

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by HodgePodge

I know one good rpg that has an awesome combat system. Kotor

That was turn based and really well done, you actually forgot that it was.

Originally Posted by Frostmourne

Well, he's right. Oblivion's combat system was crap. You can say all you want about it, but it lacked a solid combat system.

Hate to break it to some of you, but I'm not the fan of turn-based. But that's just me

I liked Oblivions combat and it was first game i felt like i was involved with the combat up close and personal and i disliked Fable's hack and slash and button bash style.

[Seigfreid]

Agreed, I thought Oblivion's was pretty smooth and fairly easy. I don't know what you people are expecting from a first-person action game but you can't expect a glorified combat system. In fact, it's pretty good for itself with the fact that you can do things like knock an opponent down or even disarm them. And if want to start on using the environment, think of the fact that you could use an enemies traps against them. Such as carrying(more like pulling) a log over a slope and when the enemy comes, drop it and let it roll.

[Tsuyu]

Originally Posted by Zingo

Dont forget to meantion Nwn... thats a good game!

Not quite. Baldur's Gate, especially II, was based on version 2.5 or 2 whilst NwN ran on the new (and inferiour IMH) 3.5.... or perhaps 3.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Seigfreid

Agreed, I thought Oblivion's was pretty smooth and fairly easy. I don't know what you people are expecting from a first-person action game but you can't expect a glorified combat system. In fact, it's pretty good for itself with the fact that you can do things like knock an opponent down or even disarm them. And if want to start on using the environment, think of the fact that you could use an enemies traps against them. Such as carrying(more like pulling) a log over a slope and when the enemy comes, drop it and let it roll.

Well said and +rep for pointing out the innovation behind it.

[Frostmourne]

Oblivion's combat, to me, was a bit weak. And here's why:

In big combat situations, you could easily hit one of your comrades. Depending on your skill level with combat, you might just kill that person, and this leads to crime. There's also other little things, but that doesn't mean I think Oblivion is a bad game. I mean, combat isn't everything.

But Drakan, you're right with the experience of the combat. Then again, it is first person. And being first person, you're RIGHT there I get your point, though.

And I hope Fable 2 has that feeling of being right there in the action, you know

[TRA Rotid]

Though I`m not familiar with Oblivion, I liked Dark Messiah of Might and Magic combat.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by TRA Rotid

Though I`m not familiar with Oblivion, I liked Dark Messiah of Might and Magic combat.

That was better than Oblivions combat but not as deep of a system and game was nowhere near as good. Used the Half Life 2 source engine quite well though and was underrated also.

[Rhadiel]

hopefully they put more gracefulness into the combat patterns in Fable 2. *Katanas*

[Seigfreid]

Originally Posted by Frostmourne

But Drakan, you're right with the experience of the combat. Then again, it is first person. And being first person, you're RIGHT there I get your point, though.

Oh hell no, don't you try and give him my credit!

And I can't help but agree that friendly hits were annoying and wasn't just you. In the Cheydinhal FG quest I've seen the Redguard with the bow take out the High Elf, which was needing to die as he got the orc killed; stupid fool pulled the trap logs on him, smushed him flat.

[Frostmourne]

Originally Posted by Seigfreid

Oh hell no, don't you try and give him my credit!

And I can't help but agree that friendly hits were annoying and wasn't just you. In the Cheydinhal FG quest I've seen the Redguard with the bow take out the High Elf, which was needing to die as he got the orc killed; stupid fool pulled the trap logs on him, smushed him flat.

Haha, credit to you then
Alot of my friends button mash in Oblivion And I know it seemed the gamer was right there in the action, it wasn't enough. Fable 1 might not have been the same, but it was more rewarding, for me.

[Dark Drakan]

Originally Posted by Frostmourne

Haha, credit to you then
Alot of my friends button mash in Oblivion And I know it seemed the gamer was right there in the action, it wasn't enough. Fable 1 might not have been the same, but it was more rewarding, for me.

Cant button mash in Oblivion without getting *** kicked, Fable was much easier to button mash with.

[Seigfreid]

Button mash in Oblivion? Drakan's right, if you even try to button mash, which I've done many times out of fustration(damned goblins get on my nerves) then you'll get your *** handed to you on a dwarven platter.

And allow me to explain why. Its becuase the fact that in Oblivion, by blocking you can counter an enemy's attack and cuase the to fluster. If you try to go "psycho crazy sword master" on say a goblin. They'll easily block your attack and then strike back about 20 times in return. This kinda thing is especially nasty against bandits who are carrying around a dwarven warhammer; you can watch that health of yours go bye-bye.

Now as in Fable, there is still knock-back, but not as effective. Though, the enemy can still get a few good hits on you before you recover.